From maf@tkrat.org Wed Jul 2 15:43:29 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:43:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: solaris 2.8 & 20030530 snapshot & nanosleep Message-ID: <20030702163534.C78D42FE3@tkrat.org> On 30 Jun, Diab Jerius wrote: > Solaris 2.8 requires linking ratatosk2.2.so against -lrt in order to > resolve nanosleep() (called by ratSender.c). I've accomplished this via > brute force means (adding it to the link line creating the library); > is there a means of getting configure to figure this out? I'll replace the call to nanosleep with calls to usleep instead. This should fix the problem. /MaF From maf@tkrat.org Wed Jul 2 15:42:42 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:42:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Green Squirrel Message-ID: <20030702163533.CC9742FD9@tkrat.org> On 30 Jun, Diab Jerius wrote: > For years I accepted (albeit thinking it strange) that the tkRat icon > was a green squirrel. Today I decided enough was enough and looked > at the actual tkrat.xpm, and lo! it is in many colors, most noticeably > brown, which is what the squirrels look like around here. > > I'm using ctwm under Solaris 2.8. I've never seen a problem with > colors in icons for other programs, and the tkRat icon has always been > green, since I started using tkRat a long time ago. > > Is there some obvious explanation? I append an image of the sea-sick > squirrel. The problem here is that Tk does not provide any commands to set a color image as icon. So TkRat just sets a monochrome one (found in misc/tkrat.xbm). But I did a quick search and there seems to be a nifty workaround. I'll try to implement the fix in the 2.2-branch shortly. Unfortunately I will not have time to work on TkRat for the next week or so. So it will take a little while. /MaF From laurent.duperval@microcell.ca Tue Jul 8 16:24:18 2003 From: laurent.duperval@microcell.ca (laurent.duperval@microcell.ca) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What happened to Shift-RightButton? Message-ID: <20030708152423.78D2247D3C@lenard.admin.fido.ca> Hi, Before, you could do a to select a message and then a to select from the first to the current message. This doesnn't work anymore. Whar are the correct keystrokes now? Thanks, L --=20 Laurent Duperval Il ne me reste plus qu'=E0 trouver =E0 quoi =E7a pourrait bien servir! -L=E9onard le g=E9nie From drharlan@pacbell.net Wed Jul 9 03:06:31 2003 From: drharlan@pacbell.net (Wayne E. Harlan) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What happened to Shift-RightButton? Message-ID: <20030709020631.C15841D002@home.harlan> On 8 Jul, laurent.duperval@microcell.ca spoke thusly: > Hi, > > Before, you could do a to select a message and then a > to select from the first to the current message. This > doesnn't work anymore. Whar are the correct keystrokes now? > > Thanks, > > L > The middle mouse button now selects/deselects messages. However, when I tried it, the shift modifier does not have any additional effect. I also tried ctrl and alt but with the same result. It would be nice to select a group of messages in the manner you mention. -- Wayne Every major plan has a minor flaw; Every major flaw has a minor plan. From maf@tkrat.org Tue Aug 5 05:57:12 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:57:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: What happened to Shift-RightButton? Message-ID: <20030805052719.8065D2FFD@tkrat.org> On 8 Jul, laurent.duperval@microcell.ca wrote: > Before, you could do a to select a message and then a > to select from the first to the current message. This > doesnn't work anymore. Whar are the correct keystrokes now? Well, the functionality was gone. But I just reinstated it so Shift-B2 which toggle the flagging of all messages since the last flagged message. I am also thinking of doing another change. Currently when you flag a range or just drag it actually just inverts the flagging status of each message. So if you have one message which is already flagged and flag a range containing this message it will actually get unflagged. I am considering changing this so the range operations (including drag) always sets the flag to the same value as the base got set to (the message the operation started at). That is the flag of the first message would be toggled but all others would be set to the same value as the first. Opinions? /MaF PS I apologize for the silence lately, I have been on vacation. From rlpires@telin.ugent.be Thu Sep 4 15:19:57 2003 From: rlpires@telin.ugent.be (=?iso8859-1?Q?Rui_Lu=EDs_Pires?=) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:19:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: ugly print layout Message-ID: Hello everyone, Printing a message sent by someone who does not use line wrapping at around the 75th character (as most clients should do) makes a very ugly print, with words wrapped at the character. The following line is the same as above but without line wrapping. Try to print the message and compare the layout. - Printing a message sent by someone who does not use line wrapping at around the 75th character (as most clients should do) makes a very ugly print, with words wrapped at the character. - Has this been discussed before, is there any plan and idea to fix it? Regards, Rui From brent@dbprograms.com Sun Sep 14 18:26:27 2003 From: brent@dbprograms.com (Brent Bolin) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:26:27 -0500 Subject: Setting x11 window size Message-ID: <007901c37ae5$544826e0$3c32a8c0@dbprograms.com> Hello, Recently started using tkrat. When I start tkrat it fills the entire screen and the bottom goes beyond my terminal window. How can I control the initial startup window size. The client is running on FreeBSD 4.8 using fluxbox as the window manager. The Xserver is running on windows 2000 using cygwin Xfree86. I beleive cygwin uses the current windows resolution. The resolution is set at 1024x768. I don't want to increase the resolution on the windows side. Any input would be great. Thanks...btb From stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de Sun Sep 14 19:04:29 2003 From: stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de (Stefan Richter) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:04:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Setting x11 window size In-Reply-To: <007901c37ae5$544826e0$3c32a8c0@dbprograms.com> Message-ID: <200309141802.h8EI2kZ4022086@hirsch.in-berlin.de> On 14 Sep, Brent Bolin wrote: > Recently started using tkrat. When I start tkrat it fills the entire screen > and the bottom goes beyond my terminal window. How can I control the > initial startup window size. Admin -> Preferences... -> Options -> Advanced -> Behaviour Set "Window geometry" to "Do remember". This way tkrat will start using the window size like it was when you quitted tkrat last time. This may break sometimes. Edit .ratatosk/placement then. -- Stefan Richter -=====-=--== =--= -===- http://arcgraph.de/sr/ From brent@dbprograms.com Sun Sep 14 20:50:18 2003 From: brent@dbprograms.com (Brent Bolin) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:50:18 -0500 Subject: Setting x11 window size References: <200309141802.h8EI2kZ4022086@hirsch.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <00a101c37af9$6cb93bb0$3c32a8c0@dbprograms.com> Thanks, that was what I was looking for. btb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Richter" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Setting x11 window size > On 14 Sep, Brent Bolin wrote: > > Recently started using tkrat. When I start tkrat it fills the entire screen > > and the bottom goes beyond my terminal window. How can I control the > > initial startup window size. > > Admin -> Preferences... -> Options -> Advanced -> Behaviour > > Set "Window geometry" to "Do remember". This way tkrat will start > using the window size like it was when you quitted tkrat last time. > > This may break sometimes. Edit .ratatosk/placement then. > -- > Stefan Richter > -=====-=--== =--= -===- > http://arcgraph.de/sr/ > From brent@dbprograms.com Mon Sep 15 16:57:25 2003 From: brent@dbprograms.com (brent@dbprograms.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:57:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Using tkrat searches Message-ID: <3374.67.39.169.194.1063641445.squirrel@smtp.dbprograms.com> Hello all, The use of tkrat in my circumstance is somewhat unorthodox. The company I work for archives email for its users. The original configuration would cc all mail for each user into a file something like $LOGNAME.backup for inbound mail only with a procmail recipe. The need of an x11 client like tkrat to be able to read from a file was the solution. We since have configured a sendmail milter that will copy all inbound and outbound for all users to a single file. Is it possible to use tkrat to search this large file by To: or From: and copy that to a seperate file or simply display the search results in the message list? Thanks btb From maf@tkrat.org Tue Sep 16 05:38:08 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Using tkrat searches Message-ID: <20030916052858.691772FDE@tkrat.org> On 15 Sep, brent@dbprograms.com wrote: > Is it possible to use tkrat to search this large file by To: or From: and > copy that to a seperate file or simply display the search results in the > message list? No, not without some hacking. However this sounds much like the TkRat database way of storing messages. In that case TkRat builds an index-file which contains all the to and from lines (plus some more) for easy searching. So if you moved all the messages in your file into the TkRat database then you could do what you want. Internally the database stores each message as a plain text file and it is possible to just cat them together to form a traditional mailbox. /MaF From lduperval@videotron.ca Tue Sep 16 15:10:29 2003 From: lduperval@videotron.ca (Laurent Duperval) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:10:29 -0400 Subject: Using tkrat searches In-Reply-To: <20030916052858.691772FDE@tkrat.org> References: <20030916052858.691772FDE@tkrat.org> Message-ID: <3F6719D5.2090904@videotron.ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_4omZUiJPftiF1H9jaeYZUQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT maf@tkrat.org wrote: >No, not without some hacking. However this sounds much like the TkRat >database way of storing messages. In that case TkRat builds an >index-file which contains all the to and from lines (plus some more) for >easy searching. > > > But don't you have to specify manually the keywords to search for with the database? L -- lduperval@videotron.ca Calvin: I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius. Hobbes: What's misunderstood about you? Calvin: Nobody thinks I'm a genius. -Calvin & Hobbes --Boundary_(ID_4omZUiJPftiF1H9jaeYZUQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT maf@tkrat.org wrote:
No, not without some hacking. However this sounds much like the TkRat
database way of storing messages. In that case TkRat builds an
index-file which contains all the to and from lines (plus some more) for
easy searching.

  

But don't you have to specify manually the keywords to search for with the database?

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<Laurent Duperval> lduperval@videotron.ca

Calvin: I'm a genius, but I'm a misunderstood genius.
Hobbes: What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin: Nobody thinks I'm a genius.
                                           -Calvin & Hobbes
--Boundary_(ID_4omZUiJPftiF1H9jaeYZUQ)-- From maf@tkrat.org Tue Sep 16 16:40:32 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Using tkrat searches Message-ID: <20030916181942.5834F2FFA@tkrat.org> On 16 Sep, Laurent Duperval wrote: > But don't you have to specify manually the keywords to search for with > the database? Sure, but you can also define a virtual folder which executes the search expression. Also search expressions can be more than just keywords, it can be word(s) in subject and to/from/cc. /MaF From jarausch@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Sep 17 08:38:54 2003 From: jarausch@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de (jarausch@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:38:54 +0200 Subject: cvs version - can't send any messages anymore - URGENT Message-ID: <3F680F8E.mailEN31MH1E9@numa-i> Hi, with the current cvs version I cannot send any messages anymore. For testing I've replaced the sendmail program by a test script showing the invocation - BUT it's NEVER called! What has happend and how can I debug this? Thanks for any hints, Helmut Jarausch RWTH-Aachen University Germany From maf@tkrat.org Wed Sep 17 10:33:36 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:33:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: cvs version - can't send any messages anymore - URGENT Message-ID: <20030917093131.DE26E2FF0@tkrat.org> On 17 Sep, jarausch@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: > with the current cvs version I cannot send any messages anymore. > For testing I've replaced the sendmail program by a test script > showing the invocation - BUT it's NEVER called! > > What has happend and how can I debug this? Are you in offline mode? Look in the outgoing folder and see if your messages are still there. /MaF From bern@it-services.lu Wed Sep 17 12:57:38 2003 From: bern@it-services.lu (Jochen Bern) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:57:38 +0200 Subject: html browser - how to configure In-Reply-To: <20030917095329.BFE68A7EAE@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> References: <20030917095329.BFE68A7EAE@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: <3F684C32.7080903@it-services.lu> (Replying to requestor AND list because I'm not sure offhand whether my current setup is allowed to send to the list. Hold your flak, please.) jarausch@igpm.rwth-aachen.de wrote: > Now tkrat calls opera like > opera -remote openURL(http://www.netlib.org/na-net,new-window) > but that doesn't work here since the z-shell interferes > I need just > opera -newwindow http://www.netlib.org/na-net Yes, IIRC the parameters are hardcoded into tkrat. I don't have experience with zsh, so I don't know what effects *that* produces. Ignoring that aspect for the moment, however, inserting a wrapper a la #!/bin/sh shift exec opera -newwindow `echo $* | sed -e 's/^[^(]*(//' -e 's/,[^,]*$//'` exit 1 should be a reasonable first attempt ... (Possibly not the *final* version, though, because it'll choke on various shell metacharacters. Might be better to put it in C.) Regards, J. Bern From maf@tkrat.org Fri Sep 19 06:00:40 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:00:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: TkRat mailing list policy Message-ID: <20030919053425.7C3432FDE@tkrat.org> On 17 Sep, Jochen Bern wrote: > (Replying to requestor AND list because I'm not sure offhand whether my > current setup is allowed to send to the list. Hold your flak, please.) Perhaps I shoudl clarify the mailing list policy. The list is set up to require moderator approval of all messages which are sent by non-subscribers. This is for spam-trapping reasons only. I will approve all on-topic messages. /MaF From thomas.stridh@its.uu.se Fri Sep 19 10:30:22 2003 From: thomas.stridh@its.uu.se (thomas.stridh@its.uu.se) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:30:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Problem with compiling TkRat Message-ID: <20030919092842.1CBD541A9@sponsa.its.uu.se> Hi I would like to ask the TkRat community a question to about compiling TkRat. I have used TkRat for several years and I think it's a very nice e-mail client but now I have a problem installing new versions. I have never had any problems with compiling TkRat but after upgrading my SuSE Linux system from 7.x to 8.x I get error's during compilation. I think this has something to do with that 8.x includes tcl/tk 8.4 but I'm not sure. I have asked Martin about this and he has been very helpful but as it is a SuSE problem, I think, he suggested that I should ask you. The error happen when the compilation comes to the tkrat/lib/ratAppInit.c -file. So if you have any idea what this depend on please give me a hint. Thanks /thomas -- Thomas Stridh, IT Support Department, Uppsala University, Uppsala, Sweden From Knutbert Fri Sep 19 11:35:09 2003 From: Knutbert (Knutbert) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:35:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Problem with compiling TkRat Message-ID: <20030919103322.403812FE7@tkrat.org> Hi Thomas! I've been successfully compiling TkRat on various SuSE versions for a long, long time. Currently I am using the CVS version of TkRat with SuSE 8.2. So there's no general problem with TkRat on SuSE. Maybe you are just missing some of the "-devel" packages? If you like I can take a look at your compile messages. Maybe I can give you a hint or even solve your problem. Cheers, Enno. || Enno Baars || || || || Linux...because friends don't let friends use Microsoft. || Quote of the day from the Iraq^H^H^H^H SCO Information minister: "With more than 2.4 million Linux servers running our software and thousands more running Linux every day, we expect SCO to be compensated for the benefits realized by tens of thousands of customers." -- Darl McBride (CEO of SCO), July 28 2003 From maf@tkrat.org Wed Sep 24 05:50:46 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: TkRat version 2.1.2 released Message-ID: <20030924053325.7DA1B2FD7@tkrat.org> Hello, I have now placed TkRat version 2.1.2 on the website (www.tkrat.org). THis is a small maintenance upgrade to the 2.1-branch. It fixes a number of bugs and implements some speedups. The full list of changes follows: 030923: (feature) Work around bugs in tcl/tk which prevented build. Also fixed some const-issues which also prevented building. 030611: (bug fix) Handle localized characters as well as () in subject when doing pretty-print. 030528: (bug fix) Escape non us-ascii characters when pretty-printing. 030408: (feature) Applied speedup patch by Don Lewis. 030217: (bug fix) Avoid core-dump on bad Delivery Status Notifications. 030214: (bug fix) Generated bad line-break when breaking long header lines. /MaF From mmarion@qualcomm.com Mon Sep 29 23:40:26 2003 From: mmarion@qualcomm.com (mmarion@qualcomm.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TkRat version 2.1.2 released In-Reply-To: <20030924053325.7DA1B2FD7@tkrat.org> Message-ID: <200309292240.h8TMeQTH000958@miguelito.qualcomm.com> On 24 Sep, maf@tkrat.org wrote: > 030408: (feature) Applied speedup patch by Don Lewis. Whoah... I'd fallen behind on the list and missed that, but many thanks to Don for writing it and you for including it. I'd actually stopped using tkrat and fell back to mozilla mail for almost a year because I'd gotten tired of waiting on tkrat to do lookups (we use NIS here and when my box was a nisslave, it was bareable, but when we moved to specific slaves, the performance went down the toilet). Boxes that would sit there getting data for 30+ seconds (sometimes over a minute) now take less then 2 seconds! Now if I can just figure out why tclsh is core dumping when building tkrat on linux (working fine on solaris) I'll have our systems sync'd here. -- Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Staff Engineer-http://www.qualcomm.com What's nice about GUI is that you see what you manipulate. What's bad about GUI is that you can only manipulate what you see. From jarausch@igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Sep 30 10:26:13 2003 From: jarausch@igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Helmut Jarausch) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:26:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: outbox folder - how to setup in cvs version Message-ID: <20030930092613.91E9DA7EE8@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> Hi, I had to setup tkrat anew but now (cvs-version) I cannot find out anymore how to setup a folder for message that have been sent. When I create a new file folder I cannot find an option for 'Set to save outgoing' Any help is appreciated, Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany From rlpires@telin.ugent.be Tue Sep 30 10:44:04 2003 From: rlpires@telin.ugent.be (=?iso8859-1?Q?Rui_Lu=EDs_Pires?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:44:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: outbox folder - how to setup in cvs version In-Reply-To: <20030930092613.91E9DA7EE8@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: On 30 Sep, Helmut Jarausch wrote: > Hi, > > I had to setup tkrat anew but now (cvs-version) I cannot find > out anymore how to setup a folder for message that have been > sent. When I create a new file folder I cannot find an option > for 'Set to save outgoing' That is now set on a Role-basis. In other words, you may have multiple "sent-mail" folders for distinct identities. So, edit your Role(s) and choose where you want to save the outgoing messages (Admin->Preferences->Roles). But I believe that was already the case with 2.1 (maybe you were with 2.0) HTH, Rui From maf@tkrat.org Tue Sep 30 15:45:49 2003 From: maf@tkrat.org (maf@tkrat.org) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:45:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: TkRat version 2.1.2 released Message-ID: <20030930174026.8BAF92FCC@tkrat.org> On 29 Sep, mmarion@qualcomm.com wrote: > Now if I can just figure out why tclsh is core dumping when building tkrat on > linux (working fine on solaris) I'll have our systems sync'd here. Are you reusing the same build tree without making a distclean between architectures? That could really mess things up. /MaF From dl-tkrat@catspoiler.org Tue Sep 30 19:23:57 2003 From: dl-tkrat@catspoiler.org (Don Lewis) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TkRat version 2.1.2 released In-Reply-To: <200309292240.h8TMeQTH000958@miguelito.qualcomm.com> Message-ID: <200309301824.h8UINvN1034528@gw.catspoiler.org> On 29 Sep, mmarion@qualcomm.com wrote: > On 24 Sep, maf@tkrat.org wrote: > >> 030408: (feature) Applied speedup patch by Don Lewis. > > Whoah... I'd fallen behind on the list and missed that, but many thanks to Don > for writing it and you for including it. Before I fixed this, tkrat was pretty much unusable on my larger folders (20 - 60k messages). I'm hoping to do a similar speedup for the threaded sort. There are some more possible optimizations that will make performance even better. I'd also like to see if I can trim the memory consumption, though this is less of an issue for me now that I've configured my primary machines with sufficient RAM and swap. From mmarion@qualcomm.com Tue Sep 30 20:17:17 2003 From: mmarion@qualcomm.com (mmarion@qualcomm.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: TkRat version 2.1.2 released In-Reply-To: <20030930174026.8BAF92FCC@tkrat.org> Message-ID: <200309301917.h8UJHHTH023530@miguelito.qualcomm.com> On 30 Sep, maf@tkrat.org wrote: > Are you reusing the same build tree without making a distclean between > architectures? That could really mess things up. No.. it's not that. Long story short, we use AFS here to distribute binaries amongst hosts, so I'm putting tcl/tk and tkrat in different prefixes in our AFS tree. Makes getting some programs a real bitch because they tend to like being in either /usr or /usr/local (basically local disk). Has nothing to do with tkrat at all anyway.. seems to be tclsh core dumping on me. Not to mention the convoluted environment I often have, I have to make .cshrc files just for compilations that remove most of my personal stuff so that I don't make programs reliant on my stuff when I'm releasing it for general users. -- Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Staff Engineer-http://www.qualcomm.com President Grant: "Mr. West, not every situation requires your patented approach of shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more and then when everybody's dead try to ask a question or two." -- Wild Wild West